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Topic: Is it me, or has this forum lost the plot?
Managing Director
Wave Collections Ltd

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16 April 2010 15:14   Edited by Steve Wrench on 16-Apr-10 at 15:15 Reply
SORRY ALL - THIS IS A LONG ONE.......

Over the last week or so I've been busy catching up on news on the CT Forum and have been saddened by some of the content. One guy who uses a name similar to my friend Ron Bidwell (hi Ron) and another called James Riddle (Jimmy Riddle...oh, come on!). This forum should be used by people within the credit industry to discuss topics professionally, without resorting to personal criticisms and accusations of bullying. The debt collection industry, of which I'm proud to have been part of for well over 20 years is being heavily criticised and accused of bullying. That's a very strong word and one I resent being used. There are also points made about debt collectors not being able to force people to pay them. We don't use bullying and we can't force people - it's all about trying to get the customer to honour their legal obligation to pay a debt back. Don't accuse us of not using courts to secure payment when the people who owe the money are already in the wrong in a legal sense as they are to all intents and purposes in breach of their contract. It works both ways.

To those (including Jimmy boy) who make these accusations, quite simply, you are wrong. You have been watching too many soaps, where debt collectors are always portrayed as a big bloke called Vinny who carries a baseball bat. This industry is professional, OK there may be some occasions where collectors get it wrong, but given the 20 odd million debts which are outstanding, even a very small pecentage of problems with over-eager collectors would result in a reasonably large number of complaints, but even so, the big pitcure is that this would be a small fraction of the accounts which the DCAs are collecting on.

The DCAs are said to have no powers. This is also wrong, as what they use is the power of persuasion. Persuasion that is, to remind the customer to pay their debt, a debt which they freely entered into when they borrowed the money or acquired the credit. The DCAs are ACTING ON BEHALF OF THE CLIENT, usually a bank or card company.

The clients ask the DCAs to assist and secure payment without resorting to court action, which could ultimately end up with the debtor paying more in terms of costs and fees. The added problem for the debtor is that their credit rating will be severely impacted and in 4 or 5 years time when they can't get any credit or a mortgage for anything, they will rue the day they secured their "victory" over a DCA (and their client) by telling them to, well, go away and they now have a CCJ (or CCJs) against them.

People like Jimmy and Don should look at the legislation to protect people, look at the CSA's code of conduct and understand that the OFT has indeed taken action against companies who overstep the mark.

I am sick and tired of looking at the same argument, in fact any question or discussion point recently raised my members of the forum seems to disintegrate due to these people making accusations. We are all human, we accept that people have fallen on hard times, we accept you can't get blood out of a stone and we will avoid taking legal action if we can to save time, effort and in particular money, which the debtor will have to pay in the end.

We also accept that people are trying to pay whenver they can, but there is a core element of people who will avoid paying their debts and you will never, ever see them on any website making noises as they are still hiding behind the couch when even the bailiff comes calling.
                                                                                                                                                      
Credit Manager
Craig Dickson

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Joined: 02 Feb 08
16 April 2010 17:26 Reply
Hi Steve

I personally echo your concerns.

I don’t actually think the forum has lost the plot so to speak.

Instead it became apparent to me that we had a number of relatively new members (hiding behind bogus screen names) seeking to discredit our industry.

Their attempts failed because their contributions were unprofessional and lacking substance and reasoning. The individuals involved only succeeded in making themselves look rather foolish.

Thankfully I notice that a number of the offensive threads appear to have been removed.

I suspect that the moderators of this forum will be keeping a close eye on things in this respect.

If we do get a further deluge of farcical comments I fear that it will discourage genuine members from contributing to this forum.

Regards

Craig
                                                                                                                                                      
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rocketmail

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22 April 2010 09:06 Reply
I second this we get enough bad press for breaking OFT rules and there are far too many websites that discredit our industry, we don't need it on here as well.

I advocate that anyone saying a wrong thing about the debt recovery business should be sent packing, as I've said there are plenty of other sites for these people to vent and share their frustrations.

Well said steve
                                                                                                                                                      
MD
Debt Collector Ltd

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22 April 2010 16:08 Reply
I think debate is good and its a good thing to hear what people have to say on the other side of the fence, we can learn alot from this. However, a few of these people have just had their nose put out of joint and are blinkered with their views.
                                                                                                                                                      
Managing Director
Wave Collections Ltd

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27 April 2010 21:37   Edited by Steve Wrench on 27-Apr-10 at 21:38 Reply
Their views are indeed blinkered. Saying a DCA should be ignored is the kind of advice you will see on CAG pages. They have that forum. Whilst I welcome debate on issues of the day, the sweeping generalisations these people use, saying the industry is rife with bullies and the like will do nothing but serve the popular view of a debt collector, as seen on any given soap opera. That is, the large gentleman, wearing a leather jacket, driving a Jag and putting the squeeze on people. This forum has guidelines and is largely used by the credit industry to share news, best practice, etc. and is occasionally hijacked by people who are totally unqualified to give what they perceive to be some kind of professional opinion.

There is another discussion topic about the CAG - I have looked over their pages and can't believe that some people will actually latch on to what on the face of it may seem sound advice, yet unqualified, albiet free advice is provided. There are other places to get free advice and that is from people who know the law.
                                                                                                                                                      
Is it me, or has this forum lost the plot?
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